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chester23
on: 21 Aug 2013 [07:23]
updated: 21 Aug 2013 [09:46]
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Dear players, Aragon to the server at the moment, some players have problems with access to the armies of the locations and cities. In particular, the Order of Vampires [VAP] , Kingdom of Heaven [KOH] , San Jorge [SJ] . draw the attention of those players who managed to take advantage of temporary "weakness" of the enemy, as well as the victims themselves: - at the time of solving technical problems players in which the errors are eligible for a leave of absence ; - after addressing players who have suffered from technical problems, will be given compensation .


Dear developers of 1100AD,

Since the new user interface (UI) introduction to the Aragon server on July 10, the server has been plagued with nothing but errors, bugs, slowness, and other inconveniences that drove many to complain through various media including global chat, forums, and support tickets. Some have complained more than the others. Some have been extremely vocal. Others have down right threatened to quit the game. I suspect some of them already did as a result.

Yet, a good number of us LOYAL players remained silent, instead deciding on to storm through this new change. We experienced the exact same problems as any other players.

I've sat through several minutes (yes 30 minutes) of "loading" when I tried to send armies It was manageable. Sure, the new UI was slower than the old UI. But it was still manageable.

We all had the same inconvenience of getting used to the new map. Things were hard to differentiate or search. But instead of complaining, I spent hours sorting through the new map, finding targets of opportunity.

What Playground wrote above on the Russian forum (translated to English) saddens me. It is claimed by Russian speaking players, and confirmed by Russian speaking developers, that there were "those players who managed to take advantage of temporary "weakness" of the enemy".

THE SAME WEAKNESS WAS EXPERIENCED BY ALL PLAYERS!!!

Those in DWD decided to continue to buy gold, spend gold, and play through these inconveniences. We gave the developers our leap of faith that all the bugs will be worked out to the betterment of the game play.

Through this turbulent change of UI, three Orders decided to stage a strike. One Order decided to have faith in the developers. All players through various means communicated that there were problems that we all are experiencing.

There were no one-sided weaknesses. All suffered from the technical problems equally. To compensate the three Orders because they refused to have faith in the Developers to fix the problem ultimately punishes that one Order that remained loyal to the Developers. I sincerely urge the Developers to carefully choose the method of compensation that is fair to ALL who experienced this "weakness". And as of the time of this posting, there are 2523 players on the Unification of Aragon.
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cucullhan
on: 23 Aug 2013 [18:09]
updated: 23 Aug 2013 [21:35]
Hey were is sklyanoy's post.... who deleted it?

(edited by schnitzer90; I deleted those posts. I'm sorry, but this is still the English part of the forum, so at least an English translation has to be provided. - Please stay on topic from now on.)
upfront84
on: 23 Aug 2013 [19:05]
(:s8:)(:s8:)(:s8:)
Let them get all new camps back they like. Let support give them ALL back. Plenty of teutons please!!

All the more for us to take off them, i have room for plenty more.

Bring it on, you bunch of big girls blouses!

"we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender"

Now where did i hear this before. (:s10:)
sklyanoy
on: 23 Aug 2013 [22:35]
updated: 23 Aug 2013 [22:38]
(:s10:)(:s10:)(:s10:)dear developers lets them get all new camps back,(:s33:)(:s33:) because they have to get compensation for a glorious seating campaign in advencher hut and loc, also do not forget to award them for blaming DWD for everything,we always guilty , i know,(:s9:) by us its grass greener , vodka(:s21:) stronger,and life funny,WE ARE DWD STRONG FRIENDSHIP FROM AROUND the globe , we help to each other , we fight back for a friend,but we respect all players even enemy ,if they change a tactics its they problem ,it is a war game [alygercom alygercom]we play the same game we use the same program we getting the same problem .difference only we don't blame and curse others good lack(:s24:)
playground
Developer
on: 26 Aug 2013 [13:44]
There was a bug its a fact, people was unable to send campaigns its a fact, its not a player responsibility to find a way to play with bug, we must fix it asap, we were unable to do that in short time. Players should not expect that someone will find a way to play with bug and attack them when they are waiting our response regarding the fix.
Nothing will be taken from your order, everything that you captured will remain yours.
cucullhan
on: 26 Aug 2013 [21:16]
updated: 26 Aug 2013 [21:23]
Well we told you on the first day of the server change about this problem. As did SJ... WHY did you not force an alliance like you have done in the past????

Many times, may i add!

Quote playground:
Nothing will be taken from your order, everything that you captured will remain yours

That's just semantics!! We lose the advantage we gained... That's a loss of the difference we have now less what they have now!

And we greatly grew this advantage. Every one % gained is a swing of 2 points. And you just want to hand it back to them, WHY???? Cause they couldn't defend? They couldn't attack?

Then how did we attack? how did we capture the locations? Why could they not follow suit? Why did they not attack us? Surely we could not defend?

"The rules of fair play do not apply in love and war. " John Lyly (1578) Are you saying over 400 years of considerations and many different variations(All's fair in love and war)of this statement, count for nothing?

Well seeing as your returning lost things... I lost loads of Teutons, Normans, Other Troops, Heros, Camps, Forts, Gold and (most importantly) don't forget my TIME since the server started, that i couldn't defend against, which is according to you unfair... But why stop there, why not restart the whole server. Then that's really a fair start for everyone. Give everyone back what gold they spent, lump sum and we all start again.

We earned that advantage fair and square, costing us much time! How do you put a value on that?
sklyanoy
on: 26 Aug 2013 [21:33]
(:s15:) its really doubly standard and you are want to treat players differently (:s28:)if you give back army and resources to one side.
playground
Developer
on: 27 Aug 2013 [14:53]
Quote cucullhan:
We lose the advantage we gained...

You gained it because another players was unable to respond.

Quote cucullhan:
Then how did we attack? how did we capture the locations? Why could they not follow suit? Why did they not attack us? Surely we could not defend?

That's not the players responsibility to find a way to play with bug, we must fix it, but we was unable to it fast enough, it is completely our fault. Other players didn't even try to find a way to play with bug, since they were sure that everyone is unable to attack.

Quote sklyanoy:
its really doubly standard and you are want to treat players differently if you give back army and resources to one side.

Nobody said that it will be one sided, every player who lost something because of technical issues will get compensation.
chester23
on: 27 Aug 2013 [18:06]
Playground,

I completely understand the frustration felt by other order members and by the developers over this issue. But I would like to set one misconception clear and would appreciate your acknowledgement.

DWD, SJ, VAP, and KOH all knew the work around. We all knew that we can send armies if we send less heroes. DWD chose to exercise this restriction by attacking its enemies at a great personal risk. SJ, VAP, and KOH chose to exercise this restriction instead to explore adventure huts and temporary huts.

It seems clear that no matter how much we express our views, an unfair compensation will be given to those who made poor judgment to utilize their army. And those who "forgot" to go on vacation while the rest of their order went on vacation.

Don't paint DWD as the bad guys as you claim to justify the compensation. Acknowledge that all knew how to send armies and that you are compensating SJ, VAP, and KOH for their poor judgment and that doing so keeps them in the game (and spend money) because of their ultimatum. Acknowledge that and I will not protest your unfair compensation any longer.
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