i agree with madameM when we used are gold and time to get all of this stuff to gain the glory points, we where not aware we where just getting them for others, this new rule should not be put on existing servers and just on any new servers because it is unfair to every one. And to go one step further i do not think players should be saying this is a good idea if they are not on the top 100 most glory points list for there server( i am number 21 on crusader), because if you are not i think we all know why you think this is a good idea and it is not because you will be loosing glory points is it?

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2) I could do without this change. It would be a very good change for new servers with a maximum of 20 members, but on current servers the inactive/weak order members will bring the whole order down; but I guess that is the point.

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Number 2 would hurt me if it was implemented today. I would definitely loose merc points to a lot of the inactive players, but I can see the benefits of it and the reasoning behind this idea. Lets all forget about what we would personally gaining or lose and look at these changes objectively for the benefit of the game.

This is a place for everyone to express their opinions. If you don't agree with my opinion then ::shrug:: doesn't bother me. I don't like number 2 for the record and I did say that in my posts. I can understand the use of this rule looking at it objectively.

I am relatively new at this game. I started this past November. In that time I have worked my butt off to gain vassals and help them grow while capturing huts and gaining more vassal points. I carry 10 heroes myself (I know its not 17 or anything crazy like that but it is a lot). If rule two was implemented I would loose A LOT of merc points, maybe not as much as you guys who have been playing for atleast a year. I understand that you would be pissed about loosing points. The whole point of this rule is that having weaker players in your order will bring you down, and have 40 players with mixed levels of dedicatation to the game will bring you down. I know if this rule came out I would want to be in an order with other dedicated members and this would not be an issue, it would be an asset. But yes, having 10-20 semi-active players would be 0 fun.

I dont personally like this rule for our current servers, but I can see the benefit of it. Especially on new servers.

That is MY opinion. If you don't agree with it I'm sure you will continue to tell me. Thank you.

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Suggestion: if you don't want the people that pay for this game to leave in mass exodus...like what happened before with canceling old vassal contracts without warning. Please give a period of time...say 1 week, to exchange the mercs that each player will lose for resources....for example, if I am going to lose 20K merc points, let me disband those mercs I wish to lose, and deposit the resources into my storehouses so I at least have not wasted the time in creating them, and I can put that towards next city point. If they are simply lost due to hunger I will not buy anymore gold, just play with free hero's. I also think there should be a timeframe where people can exchange their vassal spots for the gold they invested...if MadamM paid for 12 vassal spots with gold, then that player should be given the chance to exchange those vassal spots back to gold and spend it on something else, as the intention of purchasing said vassal spots has been altered.


If the Devs are so scared of merc points, why did they make the vassal system in the first place? have it so vassal can only send resources to Lord for library or something....and eliminate all transfer of merc points, this way you eliminate multies...no sense in creating accounts for just transferring resources..and level playing field...Game gold would go down significantly as people with smaller armies don't need as many hero's to upkeep and lead the legions.

I think however you should experiment with this by creating another server, and see how much $$$ that server generates, how many players join that server, how many stay..retention rate...you need to be very careful about implementing changes to pre existing servers where people get accustomed to rules and changing them drastically after spending so much real $$ on vassal spots to benefit others is not right.

You should not expect everyone to run their Orders how YOU think they should be run. That YOU say the order should have 15 active members that do all the battles all the time, and not 1 to 3 that do most of the fighting...each member has it's place and purpose...not everyone that joins the order need to be there for sole purpose of fighting, some have nice contours they build, or have nice hut to level up troops, some people need to leave the game for awhile and return, but this would force them to leave the Order and have no protection because Order Master can't see incoming attacks...even though that member maybe paid for the spot.

Bottom line is: Would the Devs like to be the Order Masters of all the Orders? Why don't you simply seize all the accounts like MacHeath, Ilzite, Ariadne, etc...and run the Orders as you want to do so? This is what you're doing anyways.

Mammal, agreed with everything, specially this:

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If the Devs are so scared of merc points, why did they make the vassal system in the first place? have it so vassal can only send resources to Lord for library or something....and eliminate all transfer of merc points, this way you eliminate multies...no sense in creating accounts for just transferring resources..and level playing field...

instead of this, devs want to add more multiacconts with their offer - if number 2 will be accepted, those who dont have a mults, will pull down the whole order's strength, so they will have to create mults as every "top player". Top player i put in blankets, because top player in the current format of the game is the one who has most mults...